1 00:00:26,206 --> 00:00:27,827 Detectives with the major case squad 2 00:00:27,931 --> 00:00:31,620 tell me that 68-year-old Daniel Taylor was murdered. 3 00:00:31,724 --> 00:00:34,379 Police are confident that he knew the suspects. 4 00:00:46,655 --> 00:00:49,448 [theme music playing] 5 00:00:56,379 --> 00:00:58,551 MAN: The thing inside of me, it's like... 6 00:01:00,275 --> 00:01:01,793 the appetite -- it's like a wolf that's... 7 00:01:04,034 --> 00:01:06,827 feeling the hunger. 8 00:01:15,965 --> 00:01:17,482 MAN: We're learning new information about 9 00:01:17,586 --> 00:01:19,620 a suspicious death in Collinsville, Illinois, 10 00:01:19,724 --> 00:01:21,137 when the major case squad was called in to 11 00:01:21,241 --> 00:01:23,620 investigate after an elderly man 12 00:01:23,724 --> 00:01:25,275 was found dead inside of his home. 13 00:02:40,172 --> 00:02:42,793 Heisch is doing something we call impression managing. 14 00:02:42,896 --> 00:02:44,896 She's taking control of the narrative. 15 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:46,379 She's trying to control the outcome of 16 00:02:46,482 --> 00:02:48,724 the investigation, but what she's also doing 17 00:02:48,827 --> 00:02:51,310 is trying to manipulate the investigators. 18 00:02:51,413 --> 00:02:53,689 She's trying to build a bridge with them so that they 19 00:02:53,793 --> 00:02:56,689 see her as this innocent individual 20 00:02:56,793 --> 00:02:58,172 who's just trying to be helpful. 21 00:03:14,758 --> 00:03:15,586 HEISCH: Yeah. 22 00:03:33,275 --> 00:03:34,172 DETECTIVE: Mm-hmm. 23 00:03:57,344 --> 00:03:58,137 HEISCH: Uh-uh. 24 00:04:00,655 --> 00:04:01,724 HEISCH: Uh-uh. 25 00:04:01,827 --> 00:04:04,241 Eva Heisch he has been not cooperating for a month. 26 00:04:04,344 --> 00:04:05,931 This person that she was friends with, 27 00:04:06,034 --> 00:04:09,758 she went to his house, and yet there's really no indication 28 00:04:09,862 --> 00:04:14,413 that she's sad about his death or curious about his murder. 29 00:04:14,517 --> 00:04:18,068 She does have an interesting insight into his finances, 30 00:04:18,172 --> 00:04:20,137 which most people wouldn't know. 31 00:04:20,241 --> 00:04:23,068 DERIGHT: That's a red flag, because it's giving them 32 00:04:23,172 --> 00:04:24,827 a sense that she knows 33 00:04:24,931 --> 00:04:27,551 when he has more money and less money, 34 00:04:27,655 --> 00:04:29,344 and she's paying attention to that. 35 00:04:29,448 --> 00:04:32,310 The investigator is asking Heisch, you know, 36 00:04:32,413 --> 00:04:35,724 there's no reason why we would find any of your fluids there, 37 00:04:35,827 --> 00:04:38,137 right, and her answer is not, "No." 38 00:04:38,241 --> 00:04:39,965 Her answer is, "I don't think so." 39 00:04:40,068 --> 00:04:42,068 She's leaving the door open a little bit later just 40 00:04:42,172 --> 00:04:44,896 in case she needs to tweak her story a little bit. 41 00:06:55,931 --> 00:06:58,551 Here, she's just describing all these, 42 00:06:58,655 --> 00:07:02,206 what she describes as really traumatic experiences 43 00:07:02,310 --> 00:07:05,448 that she had with hardly any questioning at all. 44 00:07:05,551 --> 00:07:08,517 She's just freely offering this information, and that's 45 00:07:08,620 --> 00:07:11,827 so unusual in someone who's experienced a real trauma. 46 00:07:11,931 --> 00:07:14,310 She's offering up this information to 47 00:07:14,413 --> 00:07:16,931 really have a sympathetic view of herself, 48 00:07:17,034 --> 00:07:20,172 to say, "I've been traumatized by murder before. 49 00:07:20,275 --> 00:07:23,689 "I'm not someone who could possibly commit a murder. 50 00:07:23,793 --> 00:07:26,241 Don't pay attention to me." 51 00:07:26,344 --> 00:07:28,206 SAHNI: Eva Heisch is someone who's been 52 00:07:28,310 --> 00:07:29,482 around law enforcement quite a bit. 53 00:07:29,586 --> 00:07:32,137 She has a very lengthy criminal history that 54 00:07:32,241 --> 00:07:34,689 dates back to her childhood and her adolescence. 55 00:07:34,793 --> 00:07:36,896 This is a woman who knows the legal system, 56 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:38,413 she knows the criminal justice system, 57 00:07:38,517 --> 00:07:42,137 she knows cops, and she knows how to manipulate cops. 58 00:07:42,241 --> 00:07:43,620 Her choice of the tone 59 00:07:43,724 --> 00:07:47,413 she's using, the little girl semantics and body language, 60 00:07:47,517 --> 00:07:49,793 she's turtled in on herself physically. 61 00:07:49,896 --> 00:07:53,241 She looks like someone who needs protecting. 62 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:24,103 TUSSEY: She's hiding her face, and you can't see if 63 00:08:24,206 --> 00:08:28,000 she's crying or what sort of emotional expression she has. 64 00:08:28,103 --> 00:08:30,137 And it's interesting that she points out 65 00:08:30,241 --> 00:08:32,379 that there's no stopping Jessie when he's mad. 66 00:08:32,482 --> 00:08:33,827 But, you know, why was he mad? 67 00:08:33,931 --> 00:08:36,586 They supposedly just went there to get gas money 68 00:08:36,689 --> 00:08:39,275 from this victim, according to her side of the story. 69 00:08:39,379 --> 00:08:42,965 So there's just a lot of parts of her interview 70 00:08:43,068 --> 00:08:45,517 that aren't really adding up and making sense. 71 00:10:09,482 --> 00:10:13,344 People that are psychopathic, people like Eva Heisch, 72 00:10:13,448 --> 00:10:16,896 have a high need for control -- Heisch is in damage control mode 73 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:19,655 and she's in panic mode, because now she's losing 74 00:10:19,758 --> 00:10:21,172 control of the situation. 75 00:10:21,275 --> 00:10:24,551 But the part that is pathological lying and is 76 00:10:24,655 --> 00:10:28,517 compulsive is the part of her that just continues 77 00:10:28,620 --> 00:10:31,827 to tell them things and fill in gaps without thinking about 78 00:10:31,931 --> 00:10:34,655 the fact that they can be verified. 79 00:10:50,172 --> 00:10:52,310 Now she is using, "I blacked out. 80 00:10:52,413 --> 00:10:58,482 I don't remember," as a feigning of something very convenient to 81 00:10:58,586 --> 00:11:01,103 make blame go away from her, and when she's backed 82 00:11:01,206 --> 00:11:03,275 into a corner like she is right now, 83 00:11:03,379 --> 00:11:06,931 she's instead just trying to shut down and say, 84 00:11:07,034 --> 00:11:10,482 "I have no information for you. I have no lies for you." 85 00:11:53,310 --> 00:11:55,448 She contradicts herself in these statements 86 00:11:55,551 --> 00:11:58,034 in that she says, "I was tortured by him," 87 00:11:58,137 --> 00:12:00,620 which suggests this is someone who is well aware 88 00:12:00,724 --> 00:12:02,517 of his potential for violence. 89 00:12:02,620 --> 00:12:05,827 But then she says that she had no way of knowing he would 90 00:12:05,931 --> 00:12:07,827 react to the victim the way he did. 91 00:12:07,931 --> 00:12:10,206 To the rest of us who live in the real world, 92 00:12:10,310 --> 00:12:13,379 who are not out to lunch, who don't double down on lies, 93 00:12:13,482 --> 00:12:15,068 this is not even believable. 94 00:13:47,310 --> 00:13:48,965 She's even saying, "Hey, help." 95 00:13:49,068 --> 00:13:50,310 Basically, "Listen to me. 96 00:13:50,413 --> 00:13:53,931 "Don't you want to hear about my story and how I'm not really 97 00:13:54,034 --> 00:13:56,793 the perpetrator of this?" And when they're not listening, 98 00:13:56,896 --> 00:13:58,275 she becomes enraged. 99 00:13:58,379 --> 00:14:01,517 And that's something that we see in individuals who 100 00:14:01,620 --> 00:14:03,172 have psychopathic traits, 101 00:14:03,275 --> 00:14:06,758 is this inability to control emotions in 102 00:14:06,862 --> 00:14:08,068 the appropriate way 103 00:14:08,172 --> 00:14:10,413 and instead lash out, especially when they're losing 104 00:14:10,517 --> 00:14:13,413 control of the situation, and she's losing control. 105 00:15:30,275 --> 00:15:33,206 What we see with Heisch not getting her way in this 106 00:15:33,310 --> 00:15:35,586 interrogation and picking up chairs 107 00:15:35,689 --> 00:15:38,551 and screaming like an out-of-control two-year-old 108 00:15:38,655 --> 00:15:41,655 in the size and power of an adult body 109 00:15:41,758 --> 00:15:44,413 may be some of what Danny experienced 110 00:15:44,517 --> 00:15:45,793 before he was killed. 111 00:15:45,896 --> 00:15:48,413 He didn't have any money to give her, and Heisch didn't get 112 00:15:48,517 --> 00:15:50,172 her way, and we see what happens 113 00:15:50,275 --> 00:15:51,896 when Heisch doesn't get her way. 114 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:54,724 But in the end, this is somebody who doesn't 115 00:15:54,827 --> 00:15:56,103 value human life. 116 00:15:56,206 --> 00:15:57,827 She values her ego. 117 00:15:57,931 --> 00:16:00,793 And ultimately, that is the biggest wound 118 00:16:00,896 --> 00:16:02,655 for her is that this isn't working. 119 00:16:02,758 --> 00:16:04,862 People aren't seeing what she wants them to see. 120 00:16:04,965 --> 00:16:07,206 People aren't doing what she wants them to do. 121 00:16:07,310 --> 00:16:09,034 And Eva Heisch doesn't know how to interact with 122 00:16:09,137 --> 00:16:11,862 anybody in her life except when they're compliant with her. 123 00:17:16,689 --> 00:17:19,241 TUSSEY: Danny Taylor was a 68-year-old man 124 00:17:19,344 --> 00:17:22,758 who lived alone, and he had health issues. 125 00:17:22,862 --> 00:17:24,931 Eva Heisch seemed to know this about him. 126 00:17:25,034 --> 00:17:26,551 She knew that he had enough money, 127 00:17:26,655 --> 00:17:28,103 at least, to go to the strip club 128 00:17:28,206 --> 00:17:30,827 however often he went. 129 00:17:30,931 --> 00:17:33,965 So he was a very vulnerable but perhaps ideal 130 00:17:34,068 --> 00:17:35,862 victim for her, because, in fact, 131 00:17:35,965 --> 00:17:37,758 he was older, and he lived alone. 132 00:17:38,827 --> 00:17:41,724 DERIGHT: Psychopaths are often going to go for 133 00:17:41,827 --> 00:17:44,551 what's most readily available in their environment, 134 00:17:44,655 --> 00:17:47,137 the easiest thing they can think of. 135 00:17:47,241 --> 00:17:50,931 So if there's someone who is vulnerable and weak in 136 00:17:51,034 --> 00:17:52,689 their environment, they're gonna capitalize 137 00:17:52,793 --> 00:17:54,241 on that and have no empathy. 138 00:17:54,344 --> 00:17:57,206 They're not going to feel bad about what they did. 139 00:17:57,310 --> 00:17:58,620 They're just gonna take what they need 140 00:17:58,724 --> 00:18:00,896 from the weak person and move on. 141 00:18:36,793 --> 00:18:37,689 DETECTIVE: Okay. 142 00:18:39,655 --> 00:18:40,517 DETECTIVE: Mm-hmm. 143 00:19:13,379 --> 00:19:15,551 The credibility of Jessie Werley's 144 00:19:15,655 --> 00:19:17,655 story at this point makes sense. 145 00:19:17,758 --> 00:19:20,724 It not only fits the data that's available, 146 00:19:20,827 --> 00:19:24,517 but most importantly, he's implicating himself in 147 00:19:24,620 --> 00:19:26,965 this crime -- he's not backing away. 148 00:19:27,068 --> 00:19:30,310 With Heisch, every version she gives is set up 149 00:19:30,413 --> 00:19:33,482 and designed to make sure she has no blood on her hands, 150 00:19:33,586 --> 00:19:36,137 figuratively or literally -- had Eva Heisch 151 00:19:36,241 --> 00:19:38,758 not ever gotten this idea in her head to go rob 152 00:19:38,862 --> 00:19:40,689 an innocent vulnerable person 153 00:19:40,793 --> 00:19:44,103 and do it at any cost, including killing him, 154 00:19:44,206 --> 00:19:45,896 There's no way that Jessie Werley would 155 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:48,068 have ever found his way to Danny's doorstep. 156 00:20:05,586 --> 00:20:06,758 More that night?